BenTrem tweeted on 2011-01-15

  • @mujaku One of the reasons I'm so fond of Dogen Zenji: he was careful not to "bliss folk out". in reply to mujaku #
  • @dougald Sorry, what's the connection? I think a lot of folk get into IT from higher mmmm concerns. in reply to dougald #
  • @dominiccampbell Actually I'm trolling for the sorta folk who can kick-start a project. Mind-mash is 2 doors down. ;-p cc: @dougald in reply to dominiccampbell #
  • @jfedor Oh, hey, yaa, "klunky" … when there's throughput we suffer it willingly, a community forms, things improve. #collaboration in reply to jfedor #
  • @dougald Oh isn't that nice! Illich and fox. I also brought up Heidegger, Habermas, and Willinsky. I troll w/good bait! cc: @dominiccampbell in reply to dougald #
  • @dougald Sync: I glance your site and think, "Ooh, he'd like my stuff about narrative and discourse" and just then see the link you tweeted. in reply to dougald #
  • @dougald *sigh* 3rd time today "Dang, nothing to comment on!" How I roll: http://many2many.wordpress.com/ and http://vibewise.wordpress.com/ in reply to dougald #
  • @dougald "Place to start" … the link on my profile? :-) As for @tomstafford … no bio, no URL = no Follow. in reply to dougald #
  • @dougald Oh gawd … years of multiple blogs … no idea. But 2 URLs and homepage should be more than a start! heh in reply to dougald #
  • @dougald I'm pretty task-oriented. Such as "Narrative Extraction" I find to be deep, deep background. > http://bit.ly/ej1U1w < #
  • @dougald heh … yes, I do that too. Thanks for suggesting. (Boy do I feel dumb!) in reply to dougald #
  • @mujaku I think my tweet was ambiguous. I meant "I'd be skeptical and even wary of anybody who wants to bliss people out." _gedo zen_ in reply to mujaku #
  • And so therefore … *sigh* #
  • "Where do we discuss these things, along with those who make the decisions" I've been trying to tell you, but you don't want to listen. #
  • The key to bourgeois innovation is simple. Look at M$ and FUD. "If I don't own the IP, then I'm going to ignore if I can. Or just crush." #
  • @parkerspitzer – The entire "social media" industry is based on suppressing innovation such as "where do we discuss". M$ FUD is paradigm. #
  • "Discourse-based decision support concerning policy matters" … oh gee, there I am, yet again being cryptic and overly complex. #matrix #
  • "Applying propositional analysis and forensic logic in a way that actually promotes subjective narrative" … certainly nothing interesting. #
  • @ParkerSpitzer – In your int'view Carter made a couple of points that I haven't seen grouped together elsewhere. Video? transcript? in reply to ParkerSpitzer #
  • A whole host of influences are stacking things so that the conventional brokers can bogard "discourse". #borg #
  • @dougald p.s. looking for another file I found a little bundle that I had forgotten: http://gnodal.protension.com/dialogics.html Enjoy! in reply to dougald #
  • Man … amazing how much stuff I used to pump out. Before I resigned myself to your not giving a damn. http://groundplane.org/cwid/ #
  • I can imagine a brilliant, scintillating inter-active web site proclaiming E=MZ3 … bet it would get lots of hits. And E=MC2 on a napkin? #
  • In part due to feed-back/feed-forward, trivial glib superficial people reward and empower people who meet those standards. #matrix #borg #
  • Innovation is existential. Emperical. Experiential. (see Heidegger on _techne_) Please don't express interest and then ignore every I write. #
  • Otherwise: life is one big Rorschach test. What it means that you said X and did Y is subject to interpretation. But X and Y stand as facts. #
  • There's an impressive market for wooly-headed thinking. I mean BS. I mean an appetite. That pretty much causes increased production of same. #
  • It's wrong to have science required to produce practical results. But science should at least serve this or that theory. Else it's gob-swab. #
  • "Researchers find pre-Clovis human DNA [in Oregon coprolites]" > http://bit.ly/i5Zvl9 < April 2008. Woa! News to me!! #
  • @LisaBarone Nice catch. ;p #
  • Interesting stuff, friendship. What I see so often (/almost/ invariably) is in effect invitation to sign on to a belief system or ideology. #
  • #granularity – I need a category term. We have blog. We have spreadsheet. We have database. Wrong; category error: the first 2 build on #3 #
  • @fusedlogic Funny: decision makers past 5yrs (at least) have been groaning about tsunami of data, yet chique solution is yet.more data. sigh in reply to fusedlogic #
  • @andersoncooper – Anderson, get Stephen L. Carter on. He mentioned "discussion with those who make policy decisions" on @ParkerSpitzer. #
  • #category – We have molecules, then we have atoms. "Smallest part", right? Like "Hebb assembly". And for thought? meme? #psycholinguistics #
  • /me brainstorms for equivalent of "monad" … factoid? #
  • @ChrisLaBossiere Municipal politics … that's where the *cough* action /really/ is. Imagine Rahm Emanuel and Michael Bloomberg at 1 table! in reply to ChrisLaBossiere #
  • @mujaku Oh sure, wonderful stuff bliss is. But "blissed out" has a meaning on its own. Dumbing down language is a growth industry. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku I'm sure you recall "bliss ninny" and "light and love delusion" from the 70s … something like critical awareness back then. in reply to mujaku #
  • @susanjarema URL? I see "error" in your tweet … something cramped? in reply to susanjarema #
  • @creativecoop – I just viewed your site. "Projects" is empty. So is "blog". So … *blink* #
  • I asked Stafford about some work he says he did, why did didn't link to it. > "Google webber fraction" was reply. > http://bit.ly/f2U0na < #
  • This guy talks about what makes people supporters, then uses that to troll people with totally specious crap … congratulations? #
  • I think of fakes as being vampires. "Psychophysics" … fog people's minds even more … on the spiritual level this is criminal. (see Tao) #
  • Let's be reasonable: words /do/ have some effect. Right? Well guess what: so does basing innovation on personality politics. #
  • @mujaku I'm afraid you're still missing my point. "Blissed out" doesn't mean "inspired by an aspiration to bodhicitta". in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku Anyhow I'm sure you will agree: the texts are clear on how, yes, even bliss can be an obstacle. That's my take on Zen. in reply to mujaku #
  • Maybe it's just me, but it seem clear that being socialized meant learning that sucking up / manipulation was the path to success. #borg #
  • I need a term. I've had "wines of delusion" since Soto Zen 101 back in '79. How to describe that? the ersatz bliss-like pleasure? #dharma #
  • @mujaku I'm sorry, I don't see how this follows. No me it's non sequitor. Yes, true … but … not to the point. Sorry. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku Occam's Razor: you will simple not agree with anything I say … fits the data! have a real nice day in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku Right. So you brought up Mara and the skandhas rather than signal any sort of acknowledgment. Right. Got it. K. Good. Have fun. ciao in reply to mujaku #
  • "Group think" sounds trite, but actually very powerful dynamic. Being "in flow" (an aspect of peak experience) is near bliss. cc: @mujaku #
  • @mujaku Ignore as you will, me too. BTW nobody here was attacking the hippie movement. I find it odd that you moved to that. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku Simply: you wrote "blissed out" as though positive. I wrote "would be skeptical and even wary". But it's all 1 sided: you. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku p.s. I use the term "gedo zen", as you say, strictly in the Buddhist sense. have a real real real nice day in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku BTW it was members of "the hippie movement" who had critical awareness of "bliss ninnies" and "light and love delusion". !scholastic in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku I never made any argument against bliss. Watch what you write, sir. I said (quite properly) that even bliss can be an obstacle. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku "Your bliss" … what the F are you talking about?! I wrote that "blissed out" isn't positive. Have a thought. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku Because I deal with flesh and blood people I warn against scholastics and phonies who bla-bla-blah to flatter themselves. in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku While chosing to equte hippies with "my bliss" you chose to presume I was ignorant. There's the words, then there's their meaning. in reply to mujaku #
  • "I'd be wary and skeptical of someone who wants to bliss people out" = "arguments against bliss". meh cc: mujaku #
  • "Group think" sounds trite, but actually it's a very powerful dynamic. Being "in flow" (an aspect of peak experience) is near "bliss". #
  • @mujaku "As regards bliss it has special meaning in Buddhism." No kidding. Really. You don't say. *sigh* bye now in reply to mujaku #
  • @ZenDirtZenDust Well … yes. But since intent attaches to all actions and gestures … I mean, I can't disagree, but … HeyHo __{*}__ in reply to ZenDirtZenDust #
  • @ZenDirtZenDust heehee … took the words right out of my mouth! You and I are diff personality types. I was building up to *!KWATZ!* huhuh in reply to ZenDirtZenDust #
  • @ZenDirtZenDust – SideBar: met a sun-dancer from your area. Nearly shacked up. Only time I came /real/ close to moving to the US. #
  • "False prophets" – What's more important to civil society than mere clear thinking? (Warning again "blissed out" is /not/ "against bliss".) #
  • @mujaku Only true if you say it? That's where I started: Dogen wouldn't talk about blissing people out. bye bye in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku You can stop lecturing now. I wrote "bye now" and "bye bye" … how can you mis-read that? in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku 19hrs ago; pretty clear: "I'd be skeptical and even wary of anybody who wants to bliss people out." > http://bit.ly/edyUvt < -end- in reply to mujaku #
  • #scholasticism – I wrote "One of the reasons I'm so fond of Dogen Zenji: he was careful not to "bliss folk out"." > http://bit.ly/g7ZvIm < #
  • @mujaku So fine … you want to practice gedo zen … got it. Now what part of -end- do you need explained? in reply to mujaku #
  • "The perfect answer can become the donkey's hitching post." –Zen Forest #scholasticism #dharma #
  • "Aye, there's the rub!" Folk caught up in cynical pessimism can want nothing higher than delusional bliss. Why would they question the con?! #
  • @mujaku You mean you rationalize your pushy arrogance. *shrug* FINISHED YET? in reply to mujaku #
  • @mujaku Did I ask? Did I want to know? No. But you push … really, great example of gedo zen. Please choke and die. *blocked* in reply to mujaku #
  • @ZenDirtZenDust You began your tweet by typing "ZDZD I Do" (to create context?) and that uhhh made it confusing. cc: @RevDannyFisher #
  • In my reading of Habermas there are 2 only valid forms of discourse: transfering info/data, and chat … exchanging "subjective narrative". #
  • @ZenDirtZenDust Your blog ate all but the first line of my comment on "pot stir every 10 minutes". meh p.s. don't feed the Zen trolls! in reply to ZenDirtZenDust #
  • Q: is being silly and trivializing things a way of mmmm safely raising contentious questions? It's like "earnest" is as dirty as "liberal". #
  • #RankTheory – If you watch what folk do with irony / skepticism, it's soon clear that they're trying to talk their way into a frat party. #
  • @susanjarema Ah! You're kind; thanks! p.s. http://bit.ly/hRvW87 … the original, outside of HootSuite. ;-) in reply to susanjarema #
  • @spiver It is written, "Practice when distracted". I blurt, "Practice when bored … there's a real PITA!" ;-p HNY / TD in reply to spiver #
  • @CameronHerold What concerns me is that "fritter themselves away" is so often accompanied by a pretty comfortable life-style. #civics in reply to CameronHerold #
  • @eversion I imagine this function: "Search through twitter list X and show me what tags folk have been using." cc: @tomcoates in reply to tomcoates #
  • @CameronHerold Uhhh … living as a complacent follower is to be encouraged? *blink* in reply to CameronHerold #
  • @CameronHerold I guess I'm just odd. It's taken years to sink in. Democracy relying on robust autonomous individuals = my delusion. HeyHo in reply to CameronHerold #
  • I used to have a community of … what … let's say "fellow travellers". Not group think, but shared value. Now? Life as a costume party. #
  • @TheMainArteryKW It seems that "facts" are pretty much irrelevant. Our society seems dedicated to plausible fiction. Is why we'll die off. in reply to TheMainArteryKW #
  • @dougald Thanks for the reality test: 0 of what I've written / published warranted the slightest comment. "Psychophysics" game / set / match in reply to dougald #
  • What I noticed: personal expression doesn't need "wow factor" to be poignant. We aren't wired for that. Mere authenticity strikes a chord. #
  • @JohnFMoore "Data, data everywhere, and not a thought to think." Watching Gov2 sputter all these years has been heart-rending. in reply to JohnFMoore #
  • "Dominant paradigm" doesn't just arise. It's the set of views favored by the A-list, the folk you suck up to. Can you see the closed cycle? #
  • Q: does someone have a really pithy definition for "callow"? I'm thinking in terms of self-congratulatory. #
  • "The question of good and evil is very difficult" … you kidding? I don't get it. Hint: stop judging for the entire human race. #
  • "It's ok if I indulge in this bit of mundane larceny cuz, well, really, everybody else is more/less doing the right thing." #FAIL #
  • @redstarvip Problematic: you can't /start/ with "depth" of philosophical thought. You must start by dumping hubris. in reply to redstarvip #
  • @davidsirota Having kids got me thinking about how not coming apart at the seams was, well, sorta choiceless. ;) in reply to davidsirota #
  • When I pondered "What do you do with the rabid dog" as a kid what I meant was "How to talk to folk who are pessimistically self-centered?" #
  • How to impress A-list (and the feckless) while helping absolutely nobody: http://bit.ly/gP7FSK #OpenData #
  • One of the keys to "Social Media" is that innovators gore nobody's ox i.e. ruling order & dominant paradigm are left intact. #matrix @borg #
  • In fact relatively few Germans were card-carrying Nazis. Yet nobody but /nobody/ dared speak out. "Peer pressure"? Personality politics! #
  • Group A makes decisions for which they will be accountable. Group B makes their living by just getting by. Can't expect B to care about A! #
  • @socialmedianew Why would you associte me with that? No relationship what so ever … not even sure I like it. in reply to socialmedianew #
  • @JohnFMoore *cough* There's a whole industry dedicated to just sloshing data around. Like talking about talking about talking. data != info in reply to JohnFMoore #
  • @JohnFMoore Guaranteed way to glaze people's eyes: talk about enabling decision making. If it ain't fun it has no traction. Period. in reply to JohnFMoore #
  • Let me guess: "We're most of us well motivated and moved by the best of intentions, using clear thought and honest logic." *cough* #
  • "Effective" marketing technique: ReTw someone, and pre-pend a link to your product. Most "marketing" is pure scam, I say. #
  • @PhilBaumann heh … just had myself a cold chicken sandwiche. (Some part of being bachelor /rock steady/!) cheers in reply to PhilBaumann #

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